Q: You said that if a person says "I will try it" he won't feel the gshmack. What do you mean by "trying"? If you say "I'm commited for 4 hours" is that "trying"?
Rabbi Kaplan: No. This ("har kegigis") means doing it. He's "mekabel ol" (accepts the yoke) that he will learn. Even if it's not gshmack he will learn.
Q:I see. So trying (which won't bring the gshmack) means "I will try but if I get tired, I will stop"
Rabbi Kaplan:Right.

Q: You said it has to be "ki hem chayenu", even when you're driving a car.
Rabbi Kaplan: Listen, it's your life. It doesn't mean that you learn every second. But this is what you're living.
Q:What do you mean? If a person is driving a car and he's not learning. what is he supposed to..
Rabbi Kaplan:If he has a deal of a million dollars that night, he's thinking about it even when he's driving? Same thing here, he has a question on the shulchan aruch or on the ketzos. Today we had a stira in the shulchan aruch. He comes home he opens the sefer, so we didn't find an answer to the shulchan aruch, but maybe the new (print of) shulchan aruch in the back has an answer. He wants to know , it bothers him. But if he just goes vaytar then it's not "ki hem chayenu".

Q:You said to get to "ki hem chayenu" is not through mussar but through the ameilus (toil). But you can have the ameilus and still and not be "ki hem chayenu"
Rabbi Kaplan:B'derech klal (generally speaking) if you make alot of ameilus, you get to "ki hem chayenu" Q:One last thing, I tried this and I definitely got some more gshmack. Didn't go 6 hours but... it takes alot of energy though, no?
Rabbi Kaplan: B'seder (ok). In the end it works.
Q:If you get tired you're supposed to..?
Rabbi Kaplan: Push.
Q:Just keep going, ey. At what point is it too much though?
Rabbi Kaplan: You see. Slowly, slowly. Once you do a little bit, then you do a bit more. then a bit more and b'ezras Hashem you'll be able to become a talmid chacham.
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